When will this whiny culture end?

Lily Gladstone complaining that she's the first Native American female actor nominated, Ryan Gosling and America Ferrera complaining that Margot and Greta got snubbed but stopping short of criticizing their own nominations, etc. When did everybody get so whiny and what ever happened to a little thing called meritocracy? We are living in scary, woke, and progressive times. People are demanding things simply because of their identity, and if they don't get those things, they'll whine and make a bunch of noise on social media.

by Anonymousreply 82January 27, 2024 7:09 AM

[quote]what ever happened to a little thing called meritocracy?

When have the Oscars ever been a meritocracy?

by Anonymousreply 1January 25, 2024 2:34 PM

Ben Johnson - Supporting Actor Oscar winner, The Last Picture Show:

"Johnson was born in Foraker, Oklahoma, on the Osage Indian Reservation, of self-identified Irish and Cherokee ancestry, the son of Ollie Susan Johnson (née Workmon) and Ben Johnson Sr. His father was a rancher and rodeo champion in Osage County.

by Anonymousreply 2January 25, 2024 2:35 PM

Who needs females when we have Ben Johnson?

by Anonymousreply 3January 25, 2024 2:36 PM

What r1 said. What exactly was meritocratic about JLC winning her Oscar last year? Everyone at that ceremony knew she got it because she turned up to all the events and gave entertaining speeches at the precursors.

by Anonymousreply 4January 25, 2024 2:37 PM

When WWIII happens and all the feminine people put their currently cocky tails between their legs.

by Anonymousreply 5January 25, 2024 2:40 PM

Will Smith opened the Pandora box with: "Oscars so white" and started the victim Olympics in Hollywood.

Yet nobody wants to be homosexual minority.

by Anonymousreply 6January 25, 2024 2:42 PM

r1 = the ghost of Ennio Morricone

by Anonymousreply 7January 25, 2024 2:44 PM

Whining about how whiny people have become? Reminds me of republicans complaining non-stop about snowflakes.

by Anonymousreply 8January 25, 2024 2:47 PM

[quote] scary, woke, and progressive times

Get fucked, OP. What nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 9January 25, 2024 2:48 PM

Yalitza Aparicio was the first Indigenous North American woman nominated for Best Actress for ROMA, not Lily Gladstone no matter how many interviews she does claiming such.

Yalitza’s Wikipedia page even says so.

by Anonymousreply 10January 25, 2024 2:48 PM

R8 yet you are whining because people are whining about whiny Hollywood stars.

by Anonymousreply 11January 25, 2024 2:50 PM

And what difference does it actually make?

by Anonymousreply 12January 25, 2024 2:50 PM

Margot got at least $50 million for Barbie. I don't even want to know the final number and yet we are supposed to feel sorry because she got robbed of an acting nomination. The role wasn't serious nor scene stealing. These actors with their minimal talent need to learn to be grateful. The public now has to agree that every Hollywood actor is an oppressed victim?

by Anonymousreply 13January 25, 2024 2:54 PM

[quote]People are demanding things simply because of their identity, and if they don't get those things, they'll whine and make a bunch of noise on social media.

Eventually, after social media becomes old hat and people get used to it, they'll start tuning out the whiners and they won't be as effective.

I'll say in ten year's time whiny 'woke' culture will be fodder for comics and content makers.

They'll have so much material.

The late 2010s and 2020s will be remembered as an ugly era.

Ugly actors., Ugly models. Ugly movies. Ugly fashion. etc.

by Anonymousreply 14January 25, 2024 3:00 PM

If you become an actor hoping to win awards then you're doing it for the wrong reason. Awards mean nothing and people fighting to become EGOT's is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 15January 25, 2024 3:04 PM

[quote] I'll say in ten year's time whiny 'woke' culture will be fodder for comics and content makers.

Ten years? It's happening now.

by Anonymousreply 16January 25, 2024 3:11 PM

Never. It's the culture because everyone has a platform and gets responses. Whining about the whining is almost as commonplace and tiresome, and usually based on identity as well.

by Anonymousreply 17January 25, 2024 3:16 PM

Humans have ALWAYS whined.

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by Anonymousreply 18January 25, 2024 3:18 PM

R17 No, you are the most tiresome, because you whine how posters are whining about Hollywood whining.

Btw., posters are just commenting here like they do on any other topic and it was you who had the need to come and show how you are morally superior, but you have only proven to be an idiot and probably a whiner so you were personally offended.

by Anonymousreply 20January 25, 2024 3:26 PM

has it been observed that op created a threat to whine about whiners?

by Anonymousreply 21January 25, 2024 3:37 PM

[quote]what ever happened to a little thing called meritocracy?

It never existed for Oscars or anything else.

by Anonymousreply 22January 25, 2024 3:48 PM

Even if Lily Gladstone wins the Oscar there will surely be a story about how a white woman cut in front of her when she was waiting to use the bathroom backstage.

by Anonymousreply 23January 25, 2024 4:01 PM

Hollywood is mostly fatuous morons. I tune it out unless it's the legacy names. Real people mostly don't care. But I'll bitch slap the whiners.

by Anonymousreply 24January 25, 2024 4:07 PM

The ultimate whiny culture isn’t some actress saying she’s discriminated against. What harm does that do?

Thr ultimate whiny culture is the people complaining about whiny culture:

Hands off my gun I like it too much!!! Meanwhile guns are the number one cause of child death in the USA.

If my candidate lost, it had to be fraud!!! STOP THE STEAL! Meanwhile they literally try to overthrow the government.

Republicans project 24/7. They are the real whiners in our society.

by Anonymousreply 25January 25, 2024 4:20 PM

If Lily Gladstone has no gender, how is she nominated?

by Anonymousreply 26January 25, 2024 4:31 PM

R25, sit down. You’re embarrassing yourself. Whiny people are the reason nothing gets done. They’re too busy dabbling in narcissism.

by Anonymousreply 27January 25, 2024 4:32 PM

[quote] Eventually, after social media becomes old

It’s already old.

by Anonymousreply 28January 25, 2024 4:33 PM

[quote] If my candidate lost, it had to be fraud!!!

Or Russian memes on Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 29January 25, 2024 4:43 PM

OP is the biggest whiner of them all.

by Anonymousreply 30January 25, 2024 4:46 PM

OP, the Repuke dum dums use words like “woke” and “progressive” as if they’re negative. Look them up in the dictionary.

by Anonymousreply 31January 25, 2024 4:48 PM

I think you'll find that people who reject whiney culture range across political lines.

by Anonymousreply 32January 25, 2024 4:54 PM

Stans have ruined stuff like awards shows. They demand their "faves" get participation trophies for their mediocre shit.

by Anonymousreply 33January 25, 2024 5:14 PM

The people who complain about "whininess" whine about wokeness

People who complain about "participation trophies" think Trump won an election that he actually lost by 7 million votes

Imagine whining about "wokeness" on a gay board, "woke" liberals are the ones who fought for gay rights, not your fellow conservatives

by Anonymousreply 34January 25, 2024 5:18 PM

What a bunch of grumpy old queens you are.I hope to God I don't age as bitterly.

by Anonymousreply 35January 25, 2024 5:19 PM

I'm a lot more worried about Trump than the progressive whiners. Democracy on the brink of imploding.

by Anonymousreply 36January 25, 2024 5:21 PM

OP, did Gladstone actually "complain," and if so, what did she actually say?

by Anonymousreply 37January 25, 2024 5:25 PM

It's about content and a lack of perspective.

200 people out of 22 million complain about something (because with social media it's so easy) and then the media dubs it a 'controversy'

by Anonymousreply 38January 25, 2024 5:30 PM

You left out that those Tik Tok complainers get thousands and millions of views, reactions, and comments, and those numbers are there for anyone to see.

by Anonymousreply 39January 25, 2024 5:33 PM

[quote]OP, did Gladstone actually "complain," and if so, what did she actually say?

In response to her nomination, Lily Gladstone said: "Why am I the first? Why did it have to take this long for me to be the first Indigenous North American? Most of the films that show up in these categories are shot on Indigenous land in North America, and it’s taken this long.”

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by Anonymousreply 40January 25, 2024 5:43 PM

^ Lily, take your they / them ass on to Reddit.

by Anonymousreply 42January 25, 2024 7:10 PM

There are bigger problems in the world today and most people don't give two shits about any of this. However, are we going to have to go through this every year? Celebrities with their big social media platforms make a virtue signaling political statement about how a mediocre actress in a mediocre movie about a toy doll got snubbed. One would think a grave injustice has been committed. When women and minorities go on about #Oscarssowhite, they really mean that they want all the nominees to be blacks, asians, latinos, etc. But that will never happen because minorities are only a certain percentage of the population. Quotas never solve the problem. They should just be grateful for the scraps that they get.

by Anonymousreply 44January 25, 2024 7:18 PM

She may be nominated for acting but *I* will always be the first Native American to win an Oscar. See the feathers in my hair?

by Anonymousreply 45January 25, 2024 7:23 PM

You first, R42.

This thread is a whiny thread itself. A whitey whiny thread.

by Anonymousreply 46January 25, 2024 8:22 PM

"In response to her nomination, Lily Gladstone said: "Why am I the first? Why did it have to take this long for me to be the first Indigenous North American? Most of the films that show up in these categories are shot on Indigenous land in North America, and it’s taken this long.”

Meh!

by Anonymousreply 47January 25, 2024 8:26 PM

"My pronoun use is partly a way of decolonizing gender for myself."

Is she one of those unfuckable broads?

by Anonymousreply 48January 25, 2024 8:31 PM

[quote] Is she wrong, [R40]?

Yes. if you'd been reading this thread more carefully, you'd see she is NOT the first Indigenous North American to be nominated for an Oscar.

Other native Americans have been nominated before: Chief Dan George was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for "Little Big Man" in 1970, and as someone pointed out upthread, the next year Ben Johnson was not only nominated for BSA for "The Last Picture Show" but he also won.

Even if she were only talking about her own category of Best Actress, she is wrong. As someone else pointed out upthread, Yalitza Aparicio was nominated in 2018 for Best Actress for "Roma."

So: yes, she is indeed absolutely wrong.

by Anonymousreply 49January 25, 2024 8:35 PM

R34 It's more about phony virtue signaling.

by Anonymousreply 50January 25, 2024 8:38 PM

Never, America is a failed state that substitutes marketing for culture.

by Anonymousreply 51January 25, 2024 8:41 PM

Whining from women about " Barbie."

[quote]Women are women, not vulva owners — now we know the fight for our rights is not over at all.

[quote]Consider the important evidence first. The Barbie movie is made by, and stars, Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie, aka the Women Who Officially Saved Cinema. Yet the Oscar nod goes to… Ryan Gosling! Who has thanked the Academy for honouring him for “portraying a plastic doll named Ken” and not the female lead and director which is, as everyone has pointed out, literally the entire plot of the Barbie movie.

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by Anonymousreply 52January 25, 2024 10:04 PM

There are none so whiny as those who whine about whiners.

by Anonymousreply 53January 25, 2024 10:11 PM

Or those who whine about whining about whiners.

by Anonymousreply 54January 25, 2024 10:13 PM

White whiners. The worst.

by Anonymousreply 55January 26, 2024 12:39 AM

Margot is a Producer nominee (Best Picture), arguably the most male dominated non-acting award. The media is ignoring this and Greta's screenplay nomination to get clicks.

by Anonymousreply 57January 26, 2024 12:59 AM

I read an article that argued that these awards will eventually just shift to awards for virtue because it will become impossible to support any artist with a blemish on their record, any mistakes, or any lack of victim status.

by Anonymousreply 58January 26, 2024 1:01 AM

JFC, can’t anyone just be grateful anymore? Life is too short to fight other people’s battles.

by Anonymousreply 59January 26, 2024 1:06 AM

R4 She gave an amazing performance, that's what. Idiot.

by Anonymousreply 60January 26, 2024 1:08 AM

This thread is so refreshing compared to the others I've sampled this week, in which MAGA loon after MAGA loon screeches about how Lily Gladstone "doesn't understand statistics" when she asks why she's the first Native American woman to be nominated for Best Actress. Um, nearly 500 women have been nominated for Best Actress. What's 3% of 400? (HINT: It's more than 1.)

by Anonymousreply 61January 26, 2024 1:59 AM

I thought Fantasia was better than Margot, FWIW.

by Anonymousreply 62January 26, 2024 10:41 AM

OP is whining about whiny culture. The irony.

by Anonymousreply 63January 26, 2024 10:46 AM

All this chatter, but nobody mentions the surefire way to stop the whining: be quiet, listen, and empathise.

by Anonymousreply 64January 26, 2024 10:50 AM

OP may have overstated the past meritocracy, but he has a point about identity-based whining.

by Anonymousreply 65January 26, 2024 10:54 AM

[quote]People are demanding things simply because of their identity

Are you gay OP? Because that's what we did because of our identity. Because we're gay. We started to come out and we demanded to stop being killed, beaten and discriminated against and eventually we got it in law. We demanded they stop speaking about us the way they did. And we slowly pushed forward so that gays could stop hiding and live an authentic life in safety, happiness and with choices that we didn't used to have. We demanded and worked to be included. And we worked towards having our relationships legally recognized by the state and government. Our elders and all of us did this for all gays to live in what we have now. Pretty sure they probably did a lot of whining and demanding. Think more.

by Anonymousreply 66January 26, 2024 10:57 AM

Basically it's gone like this over the past nearly 100 years: blacks > females > gays & lesbians > everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 67January 26, 2024 11:00 AM

This is lost on these old bags, R66. They've got theirs, Jack, and it's a fucking disgrace.

by Anonymousreply 68January 26, 2024 11:04 AM

You're right R68. I think OP is the one who is always angry and calls people "whippersnapper".

by Anonymousreply 69January 26, 2024 11:09 AM

I forgot which actor said it, and I am heavily paraphrasing here, but a famous one said, not so long ago:

[quote] Once you let go of the need for affirmation beyond ticket sales, once you let go of Oscars and Globes and Emmys, you can go back to having fun while earning a good living.

by Anonymousreply 70January 26, 2024 11:24 AM

[quote] We are living in scary, woke, and progressive times.

Woke and progressive sounds like the right path to me.

by Anonymousreply 71January 26, 2024 11:31 AM

It's too confronting for some people to bear, r71. That's what's really happening here.

by Anonymousreply 72January 26, 2024 11:33 AM

“I'm fat, ugly, untalented, but I’m a POC… so rather than work on my shortcomings I’ll blame the reason I’m not a star on white people.”

by Anonymousreply 73January 26, 2024 11:52 AM

It's fascinating to watch. When we see the likes of Olivia Coleman win, she does the British schtick of "ooooh., little ole me". Which is NAUSEATING. By contrast Jamie Lee Curtis felt entitled to the award.

The current crop of Gen Zs gripe and find fault with being nominated or winning.

They're all fucking idiots!

by Anonymousreply 75January 27, 2024 1:36 AM

Because there is power in victimhood. It allows you to claim superiority, to do irrational things, and blame others for any faults you have.

by Anonymousreply 76January 27, 2024 1:42 AM

Gay men, in the throes of the AIDS epidemic, and with a lot help from lesbians, were far from whiners. They fought like motherfuckers.

A life-endangering scourge to your very existence will do that.

Anything else now, in my opinion, unless you're Ukrainian or are oppressed in China and the Middle East and elsewhere? You can shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 77January 27, 2024 1:48 AM

[quote]When we see the likes of Olivia Coleman win, she does the British schtick of "ooooh., little ole me". Which is NAUSEATING. By contrast Jamie Lee Curtis felt entitled to the award.

Curtis was - and remains - far more nauseating.

by Anonymousreply 78January 27, 2024 1:57 AM

I’m at the age where youth should scare the shit out of me, but we’ve thrown so many “once in 100 years” catastrophes at them they’re barely upright.

I’m keeping my mouth shut and giving support, but they are wounded.

by Anonymousreply 79January 27, 2024 3:12 AM

America Ferrera needs to keep her mouth shut. Can't stand that sanctimonious cunt.

by Anonymousreply 80January 27, 2024 5:10 AM

R77, nostalgia is one hell of a drug, especially on this topic, but we were full spectrum humans in reaction to AIDS and not a moniloth. There were as many assholes and train wrecks as there were heros and heroic efforts.

by Anonymousreply 81January 27, 2024 6:36 AM

This whiniest of cultures won't end until the whiners have children who will despise their parents' mentality and do the complete opposite, like it always happens. Today's whiners are the result of the awful parenting they were subjected to.

by Anonymousreply 82January 27, 2024 7:09 AM

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