Eldergays, tell me about the Lucille Ball-Patty Duke feud

No one care OP, not even the elders.

by Anonymousreply 1January 25, 2014 4:37 PM

Patty Duke is legally insane and she admits such. So she lies all the time and starts fires too. Lucille Ball was a drunk so she isn't very reliable either.

by Anonymousreply 2January 25, 2014 5:16 PM

sorry r1 but I care and no I am not the Patty Duke Troll.. OP it was big news they and of course Desi were on the front pages of all the gossip magazines. IN 1970-1971 there were at least 5 or not more what was know as movie magazines, filled with all the gossip that in the days before were never printed b/c the studios would stop them. With the end of the studio system, these magazines went fill with stories. Some that I remember are Photoplay, Screen Stories, Silver Screen, TV Radio Mirror... You have to remember this was 1970-71 and these were famous people playing out their lives in public. The scandal was that PD was 23 Desi was 17 (still a minor) and Lucy was well known for her privacy. So here is PD and Desi running all over town. But I guess it really became BIG when Patty became pregnant and the magazines decided that Desi Jr was the dad and neither Patty nor Desi denied it. This of course threw Ball into a tizzy and it was front page gossip magazine fodder. After Desi and Patty split and she married John Astin things calmed down and it was over. Supposedly Patty and Lucy made up and Patty even said that if she was in the same place as Lucy was with her underage son bring home a divorced older woman who the gossip magazines were running after, she too would have been upset. See link for how big it really was...

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by Anonymousreply 3January 25, 2014 9:52 PM

I love you, Miss Eglantine at R2.

That feud must have been made in Gossip Rag Heaven. One of Hollywood's hottest young messes going up against an old battle-ax who was a living legend over an under-age stud muffin. Hedda Hopper must have been spinning in her grave.

by Anonymousreply 5January 27, 2014 4:31 AM

Followed up with Desi's romance with Liza Minnelli. I believe they were even engaged for a while. Lucy liked Liza, but said she was too old and too talented for Desi (or supposed said).

by Anonymousreply 6January 27, 2014 4:50 AM

WTF? Lucy loved Liza and said so. He main complaint at the time was how much she disapproved of Lucie "dating" female impersonator Jim Bailey.

Lucy did NOT make up with Patty Duke. Not ever.

by Anonymousreply 7January 27, 2014 4:56 AM

I laughed a lot with this thread. Buahaha!

by Anonymousreply 8January 27, 2014 5:10 AM

R8 and you know that Patty and Lucy never made up for a fact. That's you make it in your statement

by Anonymousreply 9January 27, 2014 1:00 PM

I'd never heard all this before, and it's terrific! Patty was dating Desi Jr., then John Astin. When she became pregnant, she quickly married a rock promoter named Michael Tell so the baby wouldn't be born out of wedlock. That marriage only lasted 13 days, though -- and for years she said she didn't know whether Astin or Desi was the father of her son Sean.

Turned out, the father was Michael Tell all along!

by Anonymousreply 10January 27, 2014 1:14 PM

actually it was LUCY who Patty Duke wanted to date... but Gary Marshall talked her out of it.

by Anonymousreply 11January 27, 2014 2:07 PM

[quote]Patty Duke is legally insane and she admits such. So she lies all the time and starts fires too. Lucille Ball was a drunk so she isn't very reliable either.

That was mean, and very funny.

by Anonymousreply 12January 27, 2014 4:33 PM

Crowds would mass in the streets outside of the PHOTOPLAY and MODERN SCREEN offices, waiting for the latest issue.

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by Anonymousreply 13January 27, 2014 4:48 PM

Shouldn't it be Patty DUTCHESS???

by Anonymousreply 16January 27, 2014 5:20 PM

Didn't Ann Sothern play the duchess?

by Anonymousreply 17January 27, 2014 5:21 PM

R10, is English your first language?

by Anonymousreply 18January 27, 2014 7:53 PM

R18 It was the COUNTESS Framboise.

[quote]but Gary Marshall talked her out of it.

Who the the hell brought Gary (actually GARRY) Marshall into this? Did you mean Gary MORTON?

by Anonymousreply 19January 27, 2014 7:58 PM

Wow. Love those magazine covers. Patty was so pretty.

by Anonymousreply 20January 27, 2014 8:23 PM

R21 that's why Desi Jr. and Patty Duke made a very hot couple and the tabloids were all over it

by Anonymousreply 21January 28, 2014 1:33 AM

I want to know more about this headline from r16's cover:

"Ryan O'Neal dumps Barbra Streisand for black actress!"

Do tell.

by Anonymousreply 22January 28, 2014 1:42 AM

I think it was supposed to be Diana Ross I'm not sure

by Anonymousreply 23January 28, 2014 1:50 AM

Hadn't Desi Jr already knocked up some girl when he was 15? Why was Lucy so certain that Patty Duke was lying about her baby?

by Anonymousreply 25January 28, 2014 3:30 AM

So Lucy was basically an alkie for how long in her career?

I always thought her performances tiresomely hammy and unfunny so this explains a lot in terms of not being able to assess herself.

by Anonymousreply 26January 28, 2014 3:37 AM

By the time Patty published her autobiography in 1987, she and Lucy had NOT made up. She seems very bitter towards Lucy in the book. I have never heard they had buried the hatchet...they were both too strong-willed for that.

by Anonymousreply 27January 28, 2014 3:41 AM

But I thought Desi Arnaz Jr wanted me.

by Anonymousreply 28January 28, 2014 3:49 AM

Don't remember the interview or why but Duke said that years later Her n Lucy did indeed make up. I know that Duke n Desi n even Lucie are all friendly with each other, in some fashion.

by Anonymousreply 30January 28, 2014 3:53 AM

R30 and that was 11 years after the whole scandal. I wonder if Desi Junior stepped on Patty Duke's lines on purpose lol

by Anonymousreply 31January 28, 2014 4:43 AM

R26 the Ball n Arnez family didn't recognize the girl he knocked up at 15. it wasn't until many years later they maybe after Lucy death that desi recognize his daughter as his own.

by Anonymousreply 32January 28, 2014 4:48 AM

Sean Astin says he feels lucky he has 3 dads: the biological one; John Astin; and Desi.

by Anonymousreply 33January 28, 2014 4:50 AM

four dads the step father that Patty been married to now for the past 20 something years

by Anonymousreply 34January 28, 2014 5:04 AM

R23, Ryan was never really Bab's bf. unless you count him seeing a dozen other women when he was seeing her.

by Anonymousreply 35January 28, 2014 4:51 PM

I have several Lucy/Desilu books. The general theme is that Lucy was very upset over this. Patty in her book hints that the baby was Desi's. She also tells of shocking abuse by both male and female managers, on top of her mental problems. I thought to this day the boy's parentage was uncertain, both Desi and John (Mr. Aadams) are dark haired and complexioned.

by Anonymousreply 36January 28, 2014 5:04 PM

R37 Sean Astin ran into this girl who said to him, I think we're cousin, she was Mike Tell's niece. so he went and had a blood test DNA and it proved that Michael Tell is his father. Mike was Patty's second husband

by Anonymousreply 37January 28, 2014 9:59 PM

Buy Call Me Anna, you cheap whore. It's all in there.

by Anonymousreply 38January 28, 2014 10:00 PM

None of this ever happened.

by Anonymousreply 39January 28, 2014 10:04 PM

R39 a lot of the stuff in that book is no longer true. case in point in the book she says John astin is the father in reality Michael Tell is the father

by Anonymousreply 40January 28, 2014 10:04 PM

[quote] Lucy did NOT make up with Patty Duke. Not ever.

Not hard to believe. That cunt probably held a grudge like it was an oxygen mask.

by Anonymousreply 41January 28, 2014 10:04 PM

Soooo, Patty was gettin it on at the age of 23, with THREE men at once? What a slut...

I knew there was a reason I loved her...

by Anonymousreply 42January 28, 2014 10:05 PM

Lucy was just jealous that she wasn't hip enough anymore to SPARKLE LUCY SPARKLE.

She was too busy being free:

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by Anonymousreply 44January 29, 2014 1:15 AM

Hold on a second - my biggest question has been raised by one of the covers of TV RADIO MIRROR at r4's link, the one with the HUSBAND FIGHTS LUCILLE BALL'S SON headline.

At the bottom is a headline that says SECRET CEREMONY! HOMOSEXUAL WEDDING BETWEEN, but then the subscription label cuts off the end of it so we can't see if they named a name. Who was it?? Were these magazines outing certain celebrities in the '70s?

by Anonymousreply 45January 29, 2014 1:16 AM

r46 It was probably Rock Hudson and Jim Nabors. That was a big story that went down but who knows..

by Anonymousreply 46January 29, 2014 1:18 AM

Rona Barrett always had the best magazines and gossip!

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by Anonymousreply 49January 31, 2014 1:24 AM

Can anyone read the Carol Burnett headline at r50's link? I can't make it out.

by Anonymousreply 51February 2, 2014 7:35 AM

R46, the magazine is TV Radio Mirror, June 1971, and the full headline is "Secret Ceremony! Homosexual Wedding Between TV & Movie Star." Apparently the article didn't name names but said "Their names are known in every household in America," and went on to talk about how common this was in Hollywood and how gays would be asking for the legal right to marry any day now.

by Anonymousreply 52February 2, 2014 10:54 AM

see link for another scandalous cover

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by Anonymousreply 53February 3, 2014 4:04 AM

WHY LUCY AND DESI ARE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE!

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by Anonymousreply 54February 3, 2014 4:10 AM

MY MISTRESS OR MY MOTHER?

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by Anonymousreply 55February 3, 2014 4:11 AM

more cover stories please lol

by Anonymousreply 56February 3, 2014 4:37 AM

I heard about the supposed Jim Nabors-Rock Hudson wedding sometime between 1961 & 1963, when Desi would have been eight-ten years old.

by Anonymousreply 58February 6, 2014 1:23 AM

The Rock-Jim Nabors marriage was 1971 not 1961, r60. Desi was a womanizer. NOT gay or bi, wishful thinkers.

by Anonymousreply 59February 6, 2014 3:04 AM

Desi Jr. was just on "Fantasy Island" last Sunday on COZI TV. He got engaged to Marcia Brady!

by Anonymousreply 60February 6, 2014 6:11 PM

It all started when Lucy caught Patty face down in Vivians' vance.

by Anonymousreply 61February 6, 2014 9:48 PM

that's it for the covers no more my gossip magazine covers?

by Anonymousreply 62February 8, 2014 4:59 AM

Gosh I remember this stuff. It was delicious. Around that time too was the Elvis/Priscilla/Elvis' latest whore thing too. Priscilla was still beautiful with dark hair, that light hair looked like shit on her, still does.

by Anonymousreply 63February 8, 2014 5:22 AM

R61: you are wrong. As I posted earlier, I heard the rumor first in the early 1960s.

by Anonymousreply 64February 8, 2014 5:45 AM

THE BABY IS MINE NOT YOURS!

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by Anonymousreply 67February 9, 2014 3:14 PM

I'VE FOUND A NEW DADDY FOR MY SON!

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by Anonymousreply 68February 9, 2014 3:23 PM

HOW LUCILLE BALL DEFEATED HER!

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by Anonymousreply 69February 9, 2014 3:24 PM

OSCAR WINNER TO UNWED MOTHER!

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by Anonymousreply 70February 9, 2014 3:27 PM

Rock Hudson in Pretty Maids All in a Row!

by Anonymousreply 72February 9, 2014 3:37 PM

Patty talks about the tabloids attention she got at that time at the video below.

Go to 2:00 in at the video

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by Anonymousreply 75February 13, 2014 9:44 PM

Those old movie mags were the best. I loved the obvious photo doctoring on the covers.

For some reason I remember this headline from [italic]Modern Screen[/italic] or somesuch around the time that [italic]Donny and Marie[/italic] was a hot TV show:

[bold]MARIE OSMOND DAMNED BY THE MORMON CHURCH![/bold]

by Anonymousreply 76February 13, 2014 9:57 PM

Gawd, and those headlines on those old 60s, 70s move magaZines were so funny: "WHAT BARBARA PARKINS WILL DO IN BED THAT MIA WON'T !" ..... "LIZ RAGES AGAINST DICK !" ..... "WHO'S OUR DADDY THIS WEEK ? LIZ' CHILDREN UNANSWERED PLEAS" .... "WILL JACKIE GO GREEK FOR ONASSIS ?"

by Anonymousreply 77February 13, 2014 10:15 PM

r79 I watched all the parts what a wonderful interview.

by Anonymousreply 79February 14, 2014 1:28 AM

Is that Ricky's big uncut Cuban cigar at r2's link?

by Anonymousreply 87February 18, 2014 10:46 PM

In that interview with Patty Duke in 1981 linked here, she says she thinks the tabloids print lies, all lies.

But, they weren't lying. She was bed hopping with her husband/Desi/Astin.

by Anonymousreply 88February 18, 2014 11:12 PM

I love these old magazine covers.

by Anonymousreply 92February 28, 2014 3:16 AM

No one knows, OP, it was all on the QT. Very hush-hush. On the down-loan.

by Anonymousreply 96December 12, 2014 11:58 PM

Are you guys talking about Lucille Testacle?

by Anonymousreply 100April 12, 2015 12:44 AM

Patty's dream of dreams was to become Mrs. Desi Arnaz, Jr.! She wrote about it in her diary.

by Anonymousreply 102April 13, 2015 2:47 AM

R102 true dat. I wonder if they married wud they still be together?

by Anonymousreply 103April 13, 2015 2:55 AM

Patty Duke's Emmy speech is the greatest thing ever done!!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 109April 22, 2015 5:07 AM

Poor Patty, she was seriously mentally ill and everyone thought she was just a low down drug addict.

BTW, Patty deserved better than Desi Jr. and the hell of Lucy as a MIL.

by Anonymousreply 112July 4, 2015 9:59 PM

Not only did Patty have a serious mental illness, she lived the horrific life of a child actor. Repeatedly molested. Total control by the studio. I think I remember reading that when she went to her mother's funeral, she had to go as "Patty."

She suffered for many years with untreated mental illness. Cut her some slack. If you are interested in learning more about mental illness, go to nami.org

by Anonymousreply 113July 5, 2015 8:48 AM

R109 is that Desi Jr. sitting next to her (on her right)? It looks like he's going in for a congratulatory kiss after her name is announced as the winner, but she gives him the cold shoulder. haha

by Anonymousreply 114March 23, 2017 8:07 PM

Patti's undercarriage always smelled vaguely of vomit

by Anonymousreply 115March 23, 2017 8:12 PM

Lucy and Patti and Desi Jr. had big blue eyes.

by Anonymousreply 116August 18, 2018 4:58 AM

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